12.07.12

CMs 1/48 Legioss & Tread toys

Posted in 1/48, Alpha/Legioss, CMs, MOSPEADA/RT New Gen, Tread/Tlead/Beta at 6:49 am by micronian

CMs Legioss Tread 1A

Mega Review: Includes all CM’s Legioss & Tread releases

CMs Legioss Tread Box 1

Packaging & Extras: Original Release Legioss/Tread sets: (4/5)
When spending nearly $300 for a toy it’s natural to expect the entire experience, beginning with the box, to be a ‘premium’ experience. The CM’s packaging is decidedly not premium. There’s no collector’s display flap, the box is thin and flimsy, the inner plastic tray is reinforced by brown cardboard and looks cheap and haphazard. The fact that the packaging is designed to be generic for all three paint variations further reinforces that cheap feeling. Besides the Legioss & the Tread, this is what comes in the box:
1) Gun for Legioss
2) Missile pod for between Legioss’ shoulders in fighter mode
3) Angled magazine for installing the gun to the missile pod in fighter mode
4) Sword
5) Display stand (base and arm)
6) Missiles for below intakes
7) Combined Legioss/Tread cradle with attached Tread landing gear
Behind that tray of goodness you’ll find another tray of bonus items including:
8) Fists for Legioss
9) Fists for Tread
10) 1 x Standing pilot figure in REF armor (Iota comes with 2, Yellow and Ley)
11) 1 x Standing pilot in Ride Armor (Iota comes with 2, Yellow and Ley)
12) 1 x Pilot on ride armor in motorcycle mode (Iota comes with 2, Yellow and Ley)
13) 1 x Ride armor in collapsed mode (Iota comes with 2, Yellow and Ley)
Another bag includes the following:
14) Instructions
15) 2x Stickers sheets
16) Warning flyer about how to properly handle the legs and rear landing gear
And the one last little baggy contains:
17) Plastic screw covers on sprues
So, the packaging and presentation are pretty awful but there is a nice assortment of extras. You could argue that the stickers should be painted on and the screw covers pre-applied at this price point but some people might appreciate the flexibility that including them separately provides. Oddly, while two sticker sheets are included, presumably one for the Legioss and one for the Tread, they are identical. These days we’re also used to getting an assortment of fixed posed hands.

CMs Legioss Upgrade 4

Packaging & Extras: Upgraded Eta Set: (4.5/5)
I’m pretty sure that CMs was just stuck with some backstock so they made some upgrade parts to clear out the inventory.  These parts can come in one of two packages. In the first version, the original toy and packaging is unchanged, the upgrade parts were in an extra box provided with your purchase of the original Eta Legioss/Tread.  There were also boxes where the upgrade parts were placed inside the original retail box and a sticker was added (see picture above from a second-hand listing in Japan). The additional accessories consist of:
18) A big gun (from a very popular piece of Mospeada art)
19) Magazine for big gun
20) 2x fixed posed trigger hands
21) 2x  new chest intakes with more line art accurate openings
22) Replacement missiles for the Tread’s chest
23) Scope for standard Legioss gun
24) 2x replacement chest cover for Tread
25) Legioss/Tread connection cradle
Conspicuously absent: instructions on how to upgrade the toy.

Dark Legioss 3

Packaging & Extras: Dark Legioss (3.5/5)
This toy doesn’t come in collector’s grade packaging but it is unique and pretty stylish. The box has a few less goodies. Inside you’ll find:
1) Destabilizer gun (with removable magazine)
2) 1x fist for holding gun
3) 2x missiles for below intakes
4) 1x standing pilot in ride armor
5) 1x pilot riding ride armor in motorcycle mode
6) 1x ride armor in collapsed mode
In a taped plastic bag behind the clam shell you’ll also get:
7) Stickers (same as Legioss)
8) Screw hole plugs on sprues (3x gray, 2x gray)
9) Warning flyer about how to properly handle the legs and rear landing gear
And finally, there’s one item not in any sort of bag:
10) Instructions
The instructions are color, glossy paper, and specific to this model.

CMs Pilotless Legioss 2

Packaging & Extras: Pilotless Legioss (3/5)
This toy comes in essentially the same packaging that the original Dark Legioss came in but with updated art (as you would expect). Humorously enough, it seems CM’s decided at the last moment to not include several accessories. As a result, the plastic tray has the spots for lots of extras that didn’t actually come with the toy. Don’t worry, it’s not missing parts, CM’s just got cheap. This time around you get:
1) Destabilizer gun (with removable magazine)
2) Fist for gripping gun
3) 2x missiles for under intakes
You’ll note empty slots for a central missile array and the ride armor bits that came with the piloted Dark Legioss. Behind the clam shell you’ll find a bag that contains:
4) Stickers (same as Legioss)
5) Screw hole plugs on sprues (3x gray, 2x gray)
6) Instructions
Again, the instructions are nice, color, glossy, and specific to this particular Legioss toy.

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Charm & Collectability: Original Release Legioss/Tread sets: (3/5), + 1 for other variants
The Tread has been a toy of legend for a long time now. Gakken’s 1/72 is one of the most rare and valuable Mospeada/Robotech collectibles in existence and the CM’s Brave Gohkin toys are better in every respect (albeit more plentiful). The release of this toy and Toynami’s MPC Beta, collapsed much of the value of the classic Gakken (although that toy will always catch a nice premium for its rarity). In the meantime these CMs toys were priced well beyond the acceptable level for most casual collectors (initially priced at $270 in the US). The green and red variants (iota and zeta) could potentially be more collectable. The green variant was initially only available on CMs website for distribution in Japan at an MSRP of $295 (using 100:1) but eventually made it to many other retailers. These are perfect transformation toys with some (very minor, mostly just in joints) metal and old-school ratcheting joints, there’s no reason to think these won’t be collector’s items. That said, if you’re very concerned about scale, these may not be the right toy for you. The Legioss is roughly 1/48 scale but the Tread is actually more like 1/68. Despite following Toynami to market by several years, there was no consensus CM’s had produced a better product with many collectors simply pursuing Toynami and Aoshima offerings. Values for CM’s Legioss/Tread toys plummeted to less than 33% of retail at one point before leveling off and starting to appreciate again. Once CM’s made the “upgrade” version of the Eta toy available, that diminished the collectability of Eta toys that didn’t have the extra box of accessories. Specific manufacture numbers are only known for one toy, the Pilotless Legioss, of which only 800 were made which may, someday, lead to a scarcity level that will make it sought after. That scarcity may be compounded by the likelihood that no other toy company will ever make a drone version of the Legioss again. Though CM’s tenacity in seeing their rights through to the complete line of toys should be applauded, it ultimately was probably not the best business decision and the company closed its doors during the Great Recession. The fact these toys will never be reissued ensures a gradual increase in market value over the next decades but it may be some time before they get back to MSRP level. Below is a schedule of releases:
AFC-01H Eta Legioss & Tread, March 2008, 28,000Yen
AFC-01I Iota Legioss & Tread, April 2008, 28,000Yen (wider release February 2009)
AFC-0Z Zeta Legioss & Tread, April 2008, 28,000Yen (“limited edition”, no specifics given)
Dark Legioss, September 2008, 12,800Yen (“limited edition”, no specifics given)
Dark Legioss Pilotless Type, 12,800 (limited to 800 pieces)

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Sculpt, Detail, and Paint: Legioss (6/10)
Man if this isn’t one of the hardest toys I’ve ever had to judge here. CMs threw the line art in the rubbish bin and decided to start fresh with their own interpretation of the vehicle. It looks like they watched a few episodes and decided they wanted to go with something closer to what we see in the cartoon (remember, this was a cartoon animated by Anime Friend… a group not exactly known for being able to follow line art). So instead of the Legioss looking somewhat squat and brutish, like it does in all the original artwork, we get something sleeker. Fortunately, while inaccurate, the toy still looks pretty decent as a new interpretation and has a ton of extra detail work. Unfortunately, much of the detail work is simply strange. You know those jets at the end of the Legioss’ arms? Well, apparently CMs thinks those should be backward facing intakes complete with turbine. You know those intakes on the chest that are covered by armor plates? The CMs Legioss has exposed turbines there also (and, if I’m not mistaken, half of those chest openings were meant to be backward thrusters). So, with all those intakes where does the CMs Legioss produce thrust? Well, don’t look on the feet, there’s no thruster detail there. Isn’t that all kind of odd? Then there’s the pilot. CMs may claim this is a 1/48 scale toy but take a look at the Aoshima pilot… doesn’t he look bigger than the CMs pilot? Apparently CMs made their sleeker version of the plane have too sleek a cockpit so it couldn’t accomodate an appropriately sized pilot figure (not removeable but painted) so they just shrank him to make it work. Similarly, you know how the Legioss has a bunch of concealed micro-missiles? CMs felt they’re not all the same size, the missiles in the forearms (at least you can see those missiles unlike the Toynami versions) are smaller than the ones everywhere else. There is a lot of subdued lines and rivets running through the plastic which is a very nice touch. A couple last quick issues, the head in fighter mode sits too far down from the cockpit and the forearms look really fat in comparison to the rest of the soldier-mode’s proportions.  If you saw the early footage that showed the toy having one too many missile bay doors on the legs it is true but it’s not as bad as you might think.  These extra doors are really there just to help you pop the landing gears out, you won’t/shouldn’t have them opened otherwise.

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Interestingly enough, the upgrade parts don’t have the Mars Base icon so it seems to me they were made to be generic.  The upgraded intakes for the Legioss toy are a huge but superficial improvement.  No, the BFG inlcuded is not from the original series, it’s from this piece of art that CMs was clearly trying to emulate (see last pic in this review).

Dark Legioss 1Dark Legioss 2

The Dark Legioss has all the faults of the previous CMs Legioss offerings but there are some bright spots. First, some of the detail work is very nice like the painted pilot within the cockpit and there’s even a bit of detail within the gun’s detachable magazine.  CMs also did a great job in incorporating all the design changes the Dark Legioss featured to differentiate it from the standard Legioss. Amongst these changes you’ll notice that the VTOL vent has been deleted, the canopy detail altered, the shoulders have been updated, and the chest intakes have been re-shaped (note in the picture below that Toynami went the cheap route and didn’t update the shoulders on the Dark Legioss toys). Speaking of chests, CMs didn’t bother to match the paint used on the chest intakes to the paint used on the toy’s face resulting in something a bit garish. This is definitely not the kind of effort you’d expect on a $100+ toy.

CMs Pilotless Legioss 6BCMs Pilotless Legioss 1

It is so hard to judge the pilotless type Legioss in this category. On one hand I love how faithful to the line art CM’s tried to be. They didn’t cheap things out and ignore several aspects that make this vehicle unique so they could use as much of the standard Legioss toy as possible. On the other hand, their standard Legioss toy took huge and unwarranted derivations from the line art in what I can only assume was an effort to be unique (likely to differentiate it from the existing Toynami Alpha toy which was released years prior). There are some nice details but for the most part the detail work is mediocre (good panel lines but not nearly enough tampo painted details). It’s refreshing to see just how different it is from the Dark Legioss to the trained Mospeada fan eye.

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Sculpt, Detail, and Paint: Tread (8/10)
This toy is only a very slight re-imagining of the Tread in comparison to the hack job which is CMs’ Legioss. Certain parts of the Tread were thinned out, a few curves are more rounded, and it’s a little bit more streamlined which makes it go better with the CMs Legioss. The scale doesn’t seem perfect, I think it’s too small but I haven’t busted out the tape measure to do the math. Some parts are clearly too small though. For example, check out the picture below of the pilots of the two CMs products. I’ve already demonstrated in my Legioss review that CMs shrank that pilot so it’s funny to see that they continued to shrink him even more in their Tread toy. There’s plenty of detail etched into the plastic but in comparison to the tampo-rich Legioss the Tread does look a little bland. It would have been nice to see gun barrels actually looking like barrels and more detail or fancier paint relating to the various thrusters.  The upgrade chest area for the Tread is more functional and seems to help create a bit more room for the Legioss’ arms in combined fighter mode.

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Design: Legioss (5.5/10)
Before I talk about what this toy is let me first stop to ponder what it is not.  There is no indication on this toy that it was ever intended to mate to a Tread toy.  There are no locking mechanisms in the forearms, there are no locking mechanisms on the feet, there isn’t even anything in the pelvis region that would help the toy connect to the extended boom of the Tread.  It makes no sense at all.  Toynami clearly never had a Beta toy in mind when they made their Alpha but CM’s knew what they were getting into and still didn’t bother to try to engineer in some success?  I give CM’s some credit for trying to design as durable a toy as possible but they did this by removing sleeve-like collapsing wherever possible. Now, you might be thinking “but the Legioss has sleeve-like transformations in the abdomen, legs, arms, and possibly even the feet and nose of the fighter” and you’d be right. The arms remain sleeves that collapse within just like the Toynami MPC (but done much better, it’s smooth here and collapses fully). Here’s the thing, if they could make buttery smooth transforming arms that work in the traditional sense why were they so afraid of using that same structure elsewhere on the toy? Everything else becomes Z-like joints that extend and collapse. In the area of the head and nose of the plane this is rather tricky and I think it will actually prove to make the toy less durable in the long run as everything is fairly stiff and requires a good amount of pressure (not to mention the two little plastic prods at the bottom of the nose that lock it into place). By far the ugliest example of these Z-joints are the legs. WTF? In order to pull off this type of joint the back of the leg is left oddly exposed and the mid leg is a friggin arch. Now, you would think if they were going to make the legs so awkward looking they’d at least put some sort of twist point in at the knee but no luck there. This whole bizarre system of collapsing the legs leaves a huge gap between them in fighter mode (the calves touch in the line art) that will make you second guess if you have both legs transformed correctly. Just to add insult to injury, CMs then went and made the arm fins intentionally too long for the forearms they’re supposed to collapse into leaving them slightly exposed in soldier mode and jutting out when combined to the Tread.  As if that weren’t all enough, the toy’s arms don’t lock to the leg and the wings are easily repositioned in fighter mode which makes it incredibly easy to knock that mode completely out of alignment.  So that’s it for the bad but there’s some good here too. The handling of the shoulder-mount is the best on any Legioss figure yet (even if you might think it looks a little small). The biggest plus though comes in the form of ratcheting joints. Not every joint has a ratchet system but the right ones do and the other joints are all nice and stiff.  The upgrade parts don’t do much for the design of the Legioss but the fixed posed gun-gripping hands manage a death grip on their weapons so no more problems with the toy dropping the gun every time you bump it.

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When it came to the Dark Legioss, there was lots of room left for improvement. Little things that should have been improved:
1) The destabilizer gun should have been designed with a collapsing magazine, not a magazine that needed to be removed for fighter mode (c’mon, Toynami already showed us how)
2) the gun should have fit over the toy’s hand, not required an additional plug in hand
3) the shoulder-array is missing on the Dark Legioss so the toy should have incorporated a fix that eliminated the shoulder flap in soldier mode
4) the gun shouldn’t be aimed directly into the back of the pilot’s head in fighter mode.

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An all new problem for the pilotless Legioss is that the chest cavity is way too large to ever allow the toy to sit on its landing gears. If you didn’t like the fact the Toynami MPC Landing gears BARELY held the toy off the ground, you’re really going to hate seeing your toy resting on its chest with its front landing gear far removed from the tarmac. That large chest is integral for the newly designed head which is the first CMs Legioss head to actually rotate left and right (mostly for the sake of allowing transformation… as, humorously enough, I believe this was the one head that didn’t turn in the actual show). The pilotless Legioss didn’t have shoulder missiles so you won’t find them here. The pilotless Legioss did have two missile banks hidden within its chest but you will not find those here. It’s sad to see so much of the upper body of this toy is new but CM’s didn’t manage to eliminate the flip door on the back which has no reason to be there on the shadow variants.



Design: Tread (6.5/10)
I guess it’s time I brought up the craptastic connecting arm that CMs included with these toys. The arm is made of diecast which makes it very strong and fairly heavy. The first problem with the arm is that it has two nubs that stick out ot be caught by the included display stand but those nubs also limit what you can do with the Tread’s legs if you don’t want to have them up in the booster position.  The second problem is the Tread’s landing gears are actually built into the connecting arm and not removeable. For the most part the landing gears will be concealed by whatever pose you may choose for your toys but occasionally they may prove to be eye sores. Obviously this means the Tread doesn’t have opening doors that reveal landing gears which makes it a very simple piece. CM’s seems like they really wanted to go out of there way to put their own unique stamp on these vehicles so their Tread’s rear missile cluster sits above the body at all times. It makes absolutely no sense at all and it would make me feel better to know whoever allowed this to happen was dragged out into a street and shot (that’s an old Garfield reference, I try not to condone violence).  The profile picture does an excellent job highlighting the weaknesses of the combined figure from the Tread’s awkward missiles to the Legioss’ fins that don’t collapse correctly (the Legioss also sits too low, needs to push it’s arms together too far, and still leaves a gap betwixt it and the Tread).

The originally designed linkage for these toys left a lot to be desired.  The major draw for many people to the upgrade release is the improved connection.  While the connection is certainly improved, it’s still flawed. The provided black cradle attaches to the connecting boom in such a way that it locks the Tread in place. The Tread being locked really assists in shimmying the Legioss closer to it and keeping the arms in a fairly elevated position which also helps. The profile pics reveal there is still a lot to be desired but it’s definitely better.



Durability & Build: (8.5/10)
CMs might not have tried very hard to make this a faithful recreation of a Legioss, and they might not have had their most brilliant engineering team on the project, but they seemed to have made the right decisions in making this a toy that would last.  I really hope someone at Toynami bought one of these so they could get an idea what a well-built toy is like.  Sure, the toy feels light but if you look hard enough you’ll notice metal in all the areas that take the most strain.  Some may not appreciate the glossiness of the plastic but it doesn’t feel brittle or flexible.  It wouldn’t be hard to intentionally break this toy but there’s nothing here that looks like it’s a disaster waiting to happen (CM’s, I’m looking at the windscreen on those Ride Armors you made right now).  I did encounter some issues after more than a year of ownership now I should point out:

First, the transformation to fighter mode causes the paint on the face of the blue and green versions to rub against the chest and wear off.  Second, the heels on mine are a bit loose but this could easily be rectified in a number of ways and may be as simple as tightening a screw. Third, the forearm on my blue version doesn’t stay pegged together… I should probably add a drip of white glue to stiffen it up.

CMs Pilotless Legioss 5

On the plus side for the pilotless version, there’s no head to scratch paint off of.

CMs Connecting Arm

Durability & Build: Tread (9.5/10)
The Legioss felt like a well built toy. The Tread feels just as well built but less complicated so it’s hard to imagine someone breaking this thing unintentionally. All the joints are beefy and all aspects of the toy in any mode feel solid. It doesn’t have the heft of an old chunky monkey (Takatoku Valk) so it might not immediately strike you how well put together this toy is.  The paint application and build on my sample offered absolutely no reason to complain.

CMs Legioss Upgrade 6CMs Legioss Upgrade 5

Upgrade parts do require disassembly and reassembly.  Installation of the upgrade parts is very straight forward.  Starting with the Tread, simply install the four screws under the chest cavity.  The chest bay missiles and door are locked in place by pressure so they easily swap out.  The Legioss intakes require the removal of three screws, two to open the chest area and a third to remove the intake from it’s housing. These toys are incredibly well built and I didn’t feel at all concerned at any point that I was on the verge of breaking the toy.

CMs Legioss Tread 3CMs Legioss Tread 9

Ariticulation: Legioss (7/10)
It should be noted that there’s a very easy mod that can be done to the hips that would probably earn this toy an additional point here but since I don’t think many people want to take a dremel to a $300 toy I won’t go into that.  As it is, I found the toy to just be average… in fact, I was very tempted to give it an even lower score than the MPC.  In comparison to the MPC you lose the ability to turn the head (downplay this all you want, a cocked head makes a big difference in poses) and you lose some of the articulation in the hands (not a very big deal).  In the CMs you do get a bit of camber/toe in the feet but since the hips aren’t ball joints you can’t really do much with that.  Hopefully most of you have come to realize that the design of the Legioss calls for big feet but what I don’t understand is how toy manufacturers haven’t learned that a little extra work is required to make those big feet adaptable for dynamic posing… this CMs toy might as well have skis on.  Specific to the Dark Legioss, One thing I did find a bit strange, CMs didn’t make the two fingers independent of each other but that’s obviously a pretty minimal fault. The big plus for the Legioss toy is an inventive elbow joint that allows an unnatural range of movement (imagine if your elbow could also bend left and right). Unfortunately, this comes at the expense of the traditional elbow joint not even being able to do 90 degrees of movement.

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Ariticulation: Tread (9/10)
As I mentioned in the design section, the connecting arm does do a bit to hamper articulation but that’s the connecting arm’s fault.  Otherwise this toy is much can do some pretty mean poses.  The only point of articulation not present that I would have liked to have seen would have been a twisting point at the knee.  The foot posts offer a little bit of articulation but don’t expect to get too crazy with them. My only complaint is that the ratchets for the shoulders and hips are too large. You may find yourself wanting to put an arm or a leg at an angle between the ratchet points which would prove problematic.

CMs Toynami Comparison 1

Total Score: Legioss toys: (34-36/50)
When I purchased this set I thought I’d give the Legioss a much lower score but the look of fighter mode managed to grow on me (almost like a Super Deformed toy might).  What sells this toy more than anything else is that it’s the first Legioss toy since the Gakken 1/35 that feels like a good, old-fashioned toy.  That said, it’s RIDICULOUSLY over-priced.  If this Legioss had been sold by Toynami at $79.99 in the US as the MPC there would have been tremendous fan backlash but CMs is selling this as part of a combination package at more than triple that price… yikes!  So, if you’re not a huge Mospeada/Robotech: The New Gen fanboy there are much better toys you can buy for less.  At the time when these toys were released $270 could buy a Yamato 1/48 VF-1 ($120) and a 1/60 YF-19 ($150).  Note that CMs did release two Legioss toys without corresponding Betas for less money.

CMs Legioss Tread 6Tread comparison 1

Total Score: Original Tread (41/50)
What you have here is an average toy (the Legioss) packaged with an above average toy (the Tread) that can combine via a below average link. It’s all well-built and fun to handle but over-priced for what you get. CMs is a confusing company, they did such a good job being faithful with the Ride Armor (but screwed up by making it fragile and tiny) and then did a horrible job being faithful to these vehicles but made them solid and fun. In the end I have a bunch of toys, as a big Mospeada fan, I really enjoy but nothing I feel I can strongly recommend to anyone other than Mospeada collectors. It seems a pretty safe bet that this CM’s Tread will be far more dynamic, sturdy, and fun than whatever Toynami makes (although Toynami looks to be giving a very strict line art interpretation so it ought to easily trump CMs there). I wouldn’t be surprised if a year or two from now these CMs toys are very sought after, especially if the Toynami tanks or becomes vaporware.  I’m adding a couple bonus pictures to this review.  The first picture is Artmic art that depicts the Legioss and Tread in all sorts of kick-butt glory, the second picture was my attempt to recreate that art with this toy.  It should be noted that I did have to Photoshop out the stock display stand, a 5″ prop used to hold up the connecting arm, and a Mega House stand to hold up the Legioss’ foot.

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Total Score: Original Release Legioss/Tread sets: (76/90)
This toy ends up right smack back in the average section because it’s a sub-par toy (the Legioss) connected to an excellent toy (the Tread) via a crappy connecting arm.  Since the toys are all so well built though they’re still a lot of fun provided you aren’t trying to play with them connected together.

CMs Legioss Upgrade 2A

Total Score: Upgraded Eta Set: (79/90)
Is it worth junking your original release and picking up one with upgrade parts?  Judging by the value these toys demand on the secondary market, you’d have to suffer a huge loss to sell the one you have even if you could find an upgrade version at a reasonable price.  Sure, I did it, but I bleed HBT (and if you don’t get the reference, then don’t buy this toy).

CMs Legioss Tread 10

Total Score: Dark Legioss: (35/50)
I want to write “it’s nice to see the Dark Legioss get a more faithful representation in toy form” because of all the mold changes CMs did but at the heart of this toy is still the inaccurate Legioss toy. I’m glad CMs went the extra mile now but I really wish they had tried to make this toy better resemble existing line art. The strong suit of the original combo sets was definitely the Tread toy, it’s still a toy I really like, and its absence here really isn’t helping anything. Mospeada completists and fans of the Dark Legioss won’t be let down by this toy and should probably pick one up sooner than later as I’m told the production run was very small. If you’re a more casual Mospeada or Robotech: The New Generation fan then you can probably find other toys that offer more bang for your buck.  Is the CMs Dark Legioss better than Toynami’s MPC for Sue Graham?  I would say “yes” because it’s built so much better and CMs got the shoulders right… but is it twice as good to match it’s being twice as expensive?  That will depend on how much of a premium you put on durability.

CMs Drone 1

Total Score: Pilotless Legioss: (36/50)
This toy gets some extra love for having many unique parts to try and match the line art, but in the end it’s pretty underwhelming.  I really enjoy having such a niche toy being such a fan of Mospeada’s designs but I certainly wouldn’t advise casual fans to run out and purchase this.  If you’ve been in love with this oddball since the 80s then pick it up because it’s probably the only toy version of this design you will ever see.  Also, if you’re on the fence, remember that there are only 800 of these.

NOTE: This “mega” review posted originally on January 9th, 2011 replaces the following posts:
1) CMs 1/48 Legioss and Tread (The Legioss)
2) CMs 1/48 Legioss and Tread (the Tread)
3) CMs 1/48 Legioss and Tread (Combined and Synopsis)
4) CMs 1/48 Legioss and Tread (with Upgrade Parts)
5) CMs 1/48 Dark Legioss
6) CMs 1/48 Pilotless Legioss
In addition to condensing several posts in the hopes of making my site easier to navigate, I’ve added a three part video review that includes the upgraded parts, increased the resolution/size of most the pictures, and included many new comparisons to the line art.  My apologies to everyone who posted comments on the deleted posts but I assure you this post will not be deleted going forward.

Updated on December 7th, 2012 to include HD video transformation guides for each toy and an HD comparison of the original release toys to the upgraded version.

12 Comments »

  1. Hiriyu said,

    April 9, 2008 at 7:12 am

    Thanks for the unbiased review, as always. I have to admit that this does not look that bad purely in its function as a toy (highly questionable design choices and pricing notwithstanding). However, once the afore-mentioned highly questionable design choices and pricing are taken into account, I’m happy not to have had any inclination to make the purchase of this set.

    Love the pic of Stick humping the Legioss’ leg =)

  2. Kyp Durron said,

    April 9, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    I’d soon pay the ebay price of $150-180 for the Blue MPC and $150 for the upcoming Beta than buy this.

    I’m so glad I spent my money on the 1/60 YF-21 instead.

  3. Grand Admiral said,

    April 9, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Ouch… the design blunders on the Legioss are just too much for me. The kneecaps sticking out in fighter mode look awful, the tiny intakes, the vertical stabilizers that can’t fold in…. these are big “WTFs” in my book.

    I’ll be buying a YF-21 as well. Maybe someone will make a proper Legioss/Tread in the future.

  4. MisterRyno said,

    April 10, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    As always. I am most impressed with your review mate. GREAT JOB! I look forward to buying one. Actually I only want to buy the Legioss and not the TREAD.

  5. Mark Moore said,

    April 11, 2008 at 8:52 am

    Great review. Not as acurate as Toynami’s but it seems a lot more durable and more like a toy than a fragile model. The price point is way to high as opposed to the other great Mospeada, Robotech and Macros products. I still prefer the Gakken 1/35, if only Bandai or some one would reissue them.

  6. AcroRay said,

    April 11, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Wow – probably the most detailed review I’ve sen yet at Scorched Earth! Seems like a quality – if expensive – product. Still, I think I like the Toynami stuff better a little better. A bit rickety in spots, but I kinda like the ‘real type’ design interpretation.

    Good work! Fun read & great pics!

  7. Data Stream said,

    April 17, 2008 at 3:17 am

    Overall a very nice looking set, but does no way justify the $300 price tag. If CM would retail this set at around $180-200 it would be an amazing deal, but too expensive for my taste, at least until we see what Toynami can do. If Toynami blows it ( good %70 chance they will) I will probably search around ebay for a used one of these puppies. Great review man, some really cool poses!
    Peace

  8. ae_productions said,

    January 26, 2011 at 11:14 am

    If this toy had a few of the engineering flaws worked out…it would be one of the greatest toys ever produced. But its just very lackluster. Especially WITHOUT the upgrade parts!

    So, like any Mosepada nut really wanting a set of Legioss and Tread figures…I found three upgrade kits for a decent price so I could upgrade ALL my sets, not just the blue one. That connection piece makes all the difference in the world.

    Thanks for the very helpful reviews. Great work, as always.

  9. Ivo Elleder said,

    March 20, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Dear Sirs:
    I am writing to you from Argentina. I am not sure if it s now the apropiet time to send you my question. I am very sory about the crisis in Japan.
    I am interested in buying two or three CMs-Legioss-Extras. I allready have the alpha and beta tread. Please answer me where the time is apropiate for you.Many thanks in advance!
    Ivo Elleder M.D.

  10. micronian said,

    March 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    The upgrade parts weren’t sold separately so it may prove very hard to find anyone who has them for sale. Good luck –

  11. David said,

    April 20, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Can the Legioss’ chest intakes be angled downwards?

  12. robodragon said,

    July 30, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Will using just the Legioss/Tread connection cradle make a difference without the rest of the upgrade parts?

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